tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18808529.post113241600704304917..comments2022-10-25T03:20:30.507-05:00Comments on Shimer College and the Future: View from the FrontShooBootyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01824125151437862212noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18808529.post-1133394138827678362005-11-30T17:42:00.000-06:002005-11-30T17:42:00.000-06:00Thanks for chiming in, Alan. It's nice to know th...Thanks for chiming in, Alan. It's nice to know that someone else was "listening in." Your thoughts on any of this would be appreciated.David Shinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356798799340160314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18808529.post-1132794578249032302005-11-23T19:09:00.000-06:002005-11-23T19:09:00.000-06:00Michael,I fully agree that the Assembly should not...Michael,<BR/><BR/>I fully agree that the Assembly should not plan on a simple "yes" or "no" vote on the IIT relocation. I foresee the meeting at which this is decided taking several hours, with everyone discussing the issues and coming up with hypothetical proposals (we approve X on condition Y) which would then be voted upon. This is nmore or less the way things went with respect to the Roosevelt decision 15 years ago.<BR/><BR/>But there's a complication. Since all Weekday conferences end on December 16, some Weekday students don't want to (or can't) hang around until December 18, when the Assembly meeting will be. Those students would like to cast absentee ballots, and a proposal to that effect will be prsented to the Assembly at its next meeting on December 4. Since it would be impossible by then to forsee what sorts of proopsals the Assembly might come up with on the 18th, that would be a problem. So would disenfranchising those students. On the other hand, we've never allowed absentee ballots before, and I know a lot of Shimerians are dead set against it. Having the IIT Assembly meeting any time other than December 18 is a non-starter, since (1) the Weekend students would be disenfranchised, and (2) there's no such time anyway, given when "full" information on the implications of the relocation will be available and when the Board needs to decide.<BR/><BR/>So I don't know what will happen, but I trust the Assembly to come up with the best solution it can under the circumstances. Keep your fingers crossed.David Shinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356798799340160314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18808529.post-1132616516244836652005-11-21T17:41:00.000-06:002005-11-21T17:41:00.000-06:00Michael, the more we "discourse" the closer we get...Michael, the more we "discourse" the closer we get to each others' views. I am about to start the process of assimilating all possible material concerning the IIT proposal, whether pro, con, or undecidable. The accreditation self-study group will be enlisted in this process, but everyone on campus will be included in some way, and I also plan to incorporate thoughts from alumni via this blog, other conversations, the meeting this coming Sunday, etc. Of course we'll also include the financial prjections and any other "official" documents that might be helpful, such as the sort you suggest on the exact space we would occupy at IIT, lease terms, mortgage terms of the current Shimer buildings in Waukegan, etc. The group will try to distill everything into a coherent, non-repetitious but reasonably complete document. We have a couple of weeks to get it done, and we'll work hard to get it done right.<BR/><BR/>As to the Open Space format, this is already being done, as I probably should have mentioned in an earlier post. As things currently stand, the term "Assembly" is now used loosely for "the internal self-governing Shimer community" and tightly for "the group that has called meetings to conduct business." (This terminology is itself loose.) In other words, if we simply want to get everyone together to discuss an issue or set of issues, we set a time (usually Sunday at 4 when the Weekend Program meets) and invite all current Shimerians to come if they're interested. If we have items of business to hear and/or decide upon, we hold "an Assembly meeting" with all the concommitant requirements for staf members, APC members, and so on. We've already had two session of the "looser" variety this semester along with two official Assembly meetings. We're planning two more Assembly meetings in December, so a lot of what you're suggesting is already happening. Not to say that it couldn't be better, but we're getting there, I think (& hope).David Shinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356798799340160314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18808529.post-1132579285328082812005-11-21T07:21:00.000-06:002005-11-21T07:21:00.000-06:00Thanks again, Michael. I hope this isn't only a pr...Thanks again, Michael. I hope this isn't only a private conversation in a public venue, like two sportscasters who address wach other on the air, but rather that others feel free to chime in.<BR/><BR/>Your main point concerns the ability of the Assembly to make an informed and relevant decision on IIT by the time the bell rings. I don't know whether that will happen, but as I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm trying hard to help see that it does.<BR/><BR/>On your other points: I didn't intend to give the impression that I see recent Assembly meetings as "irrelevant." I think they fulfill a somewhat different function than in the 80s and 90s - not all that different, but somewhat so. In thinking this over, it occurs to me that the rise in Weekend student attendance and the decline in decisions on substantive issues might be related to each other. The Weekend students, on the whole, seem to appreciate hearing committee reports and the like more than Weekday students and staff; it helps them feel more informed about what's going on at Shimer. They don't seem at all frustrated by the lack of substantive items, although they do speak up when we have discussions. I'll think more about it, but in any case I surely wouldn't characterize the Assembly as "irrelevant." I would say that Shimer is somewhat less democratic than it was a decade ago, and much less so than 25-30 years ago. I don't think that's a bad thing, but I do think it could become a bad thing if it goes much further. Since I'm obviously committed to the Assembly, I'll continue to try to figure out how to make it as functional and relevant as possible.<BR/><BR/>As far as the statement that "even non-serious discussions about something like moving the College" would have been communicated widely in the past, I simply don't agree. Examples to the contrary abound. Back in 2002 Don was approached by a proprietary school that was interested in affiliating with Shimer. He told me about it some time after his initial conversations, and eventually he told the rest of the faculty. The talks disintegrated before the students and administrative staff (not to mention alumni) were brought in. Those dicussions never got to the point that the IIT proposal has, but they were certainly at least somewhat serious. If they had gone further, I assume the Assembly would have been brought in, although months after the initial contact. <BR/><BR/>We'll never know. What I do know is that Bill, like Don, regularly gets calls about this sort of thing, which could loosely be termed "non-serious discussions to move the college" or to subtantially affect the college in other ways. I don't think it makes sense to have them all disseminated widely, or in most cases at all. What I think is probably in this case is not that issue, but the rather clunky way this particular situation has been handled. I hope that everyone involved, myself included, will learn to handle such matters better in the future.David Shinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356798799340160314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18808529.post-1132499547421818892005-11-20T09:12:00.000-06:002005-11-20T09:12:00.000-06:00Thanks, Michael. I didn't talk about process much ...Thanks, Michael. I didn't talk about process much in my post yesterday, so maybe it would be good to do more of that here.<BR/><BR/>The role of the Assembly at Shimer has been changing incrimentally for several years now. I've had to do a lot of thinking about that, because I'm chairing a group of staff members who are responsible for the next accreditation self-study report. One portion of a paragraph in the working draft of our self-study (which won't be completed for another couple of months) is as follows: "The Assembly’s present business is primarily threefold: the election of members to Assembly committees that are responsible for work such as academic planning, administrative review, and budget recommendations; the hearing of annual or semiannual reports by administrators, especially the President and the Dean; and the discussion of the future of the Assembly, including proposed amendments to the Constitution. While these functions are important, they do not suggest a body with significant decision-making authority, or one that needs to meet all that regularly." <BR/><BR/>One can be happy, sad, or indifferent to this trend, but for whatever it's worth, it seems to those of us on the committee that it's been going in this direction for several years now. Last year I served as Speaker of the Assembly (as I do again this year), and on several occasions I had to introduce (that is, invent) motions and discussion items just so we'd have a legitimate reason for the thrice-semesterly meetings that were called for in the Assembly Constitution. I tried to get Assembly members to introduce items thenmselves, but with little success.<BR/><BR/>That's not to say that the Assembly is dying. For our first meeting in September there were something like 75 attendees, which was pretty incredible, possibly a record. All Assembly committees were filled without anyone's leg having to be twisted, which to my memory hadn't happened for a long time. The next meeting was also well attended. Weekend students, who hadn't been all that visible in Assembly for many years (if ever), have been turning out in impressive numbers for the past year or so. <BR/><BR/>It's true, I think, that orientation toward the Assembly doesn't come naturally to Young or Bill. I don't think that's too surprising, since Bill comes from very different academic environments (which, of course, is almost all of them) and there was no Assembly when Young was a Shimer student. It's a learning process for them, and also for those of us who are more used to Shimer's current brand of self-governance. When I'm around either of them and the issue of the Assembly comes up, they treat it with respect. It's an evolving process. I don't know how it will play out concerning the IIT situation. I doubt that the Assembly will be treated as "a mere plebescite," and I'm trying to do what I can to help, but I wouldn't want to make any predictions at this point. As you mentioned in an earlier post, the strengthening of the Board that appears to be happening these days is probably a good thing, but it might affect the Assembly in ways that are hard to foresee.<BR/><BR/>As far as the issue of when conversations with IIT began, your concerns have also been expressed by folks around here at times. From my perspective the issue isn't innacuracy, but a difference in what is being talked about. From what I understand, Bill and Young had very casual conversations with folks at IIT back in the spring. Those conversations were at first infrequent, but became more frequent and interesting as the summer wore on. By the time I was brought into the picture about 10 weeks ago, it looked like there might be reason for serious interest on both sides. So in one sense the conversations began in the spring, in another around September or even later. It depends on what level of seriousness you're talking about. <BR/><BR/>College presidents frequently say things to each other like, "Maybe we should work together on X." It's part of the terrain. The Higher Learning Commission (our accrediting agency) encourages it, as to some extent does the Illinois State Board of Higher Education. Up to a certain point such conversations are too casual to take very seriously, let alone enlist others in (sorry about ending that sentence with a preposition).<BR/><BR/>Look, here's an analogy. Nancy and I met in the summer of 1988, when she started working at Shimer. We were married in the summer of '93. We definitely were not an item for the first couple of years; we weren't dating in any romantic sense. Sometimes we went out together casually (I remember in particular a ballgame in Kenosha in the summer of '89), but lots of Shimer faculty members do that sort of thing. As time went on we saw each other more often, because we enjoyed each other's company. By January of 1993 we were engaged. Somewhere before that, obvously, we were getting serious, but I'm not exactly sure where the tipping point was. If you were to ask either of us, we might well give different answers. Each of us might even give different answers from ourselves at different times. It's not a matter of duplicity, just what we consider important or decisive.<BR/><BR/>That analogy might seem silly, but I hope it brings out at least one aspect of present-day Shimer situation that could as easily be looked upon as benign as otherwise. We don't have any spinmeisters here; we don't have people trying to control who tells what to whom. People do write press releases, and some voices are necessarily more "official" than others, but no one is duty-bound to toe any sort of party line. No one tells me whether to post on a blog such as this, and I don't ask. So sometimes a "story" won't look particularly "straight." You can see that as deceptive or even duplicitous; I see it as one of the defects of our virtues, the virtue in this case being that Shimer people, even so-called "high-ranking administrators," say what they want without a party line, prior coaching, or fear of negative repercussions. That's pretty rare in higher education or, for that matter, anywhere else. But it has been, and continues to be, one of the great things about Shimer.<BR/><BR/>Keep the comments coming. I'll check in daily, or at least as often as I can. Take care.David Shinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356798799340160314noreply@blogger.com